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why some say buying trump stock is really buying access to his white house as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. >> good evening. this afternoon the former president tried to call attention back from the vice president with an hour plus news conference at his club and for. harris's camp and of course has been driving the national conversation for the last two weeks in the edition of the minnesota governor to the ticket has helped to

supercharge that momentum. they continue to focus on the best swing states this afternoon with a stop at a local uaw hall in michigan. speaking today at mar-a-lago trump was at times evasive, rambling, and incoherent repeating many lies. in your times reports harris's rapid rise has left trump unfocused and unsettled and recent polling could be a reason why. the newmark finds trump jalen harris by six points among likely voters. garrett was at trump's news conference down in florida, and he has more on those details. >> tonight at least one debate showdown is now set between former president donald trump and vice president kamala harris september 10 with trump announcing in a news conference he is also accepting debate invitations from two more networks and challenged harris to commit as well. >> we would like to do three. we think we should. >> harris says she's committed to just one. >> will you be participating in all three? >> i am looking forward to

debating him and we have a date. >> tonight he also criticized the vice president for not holding any news conferences or sitdown interviews in the 18 days since president biden stepped aside. >> she should be doing interviews. she does not want to do interviews. the reason is her policies are so bad. >> they would like to do a joint interview in a few weeks. well trump was also asked about abortion rights repeating his false claim most americans wanted rovers is wade overturned.>> i think the abortion issue has been taken down many notches. i do not think it is a big factor anymore really. we brought it back to the states. everybody wanted it. >> today they met union voters as a part of a five-day battleground barn storm. >> when you know what you stand for you know what to fight for.

>> of the same slim lead he had over president biden. democratic enthusiasm has spiked. 81% of democrats are not satisfied with harris as their nominee compared to 33% who were satisfied with widened. >> what do you attribute her rising in the polls? >> she is a woman. she represents certain groups of people. i will say this. when people find out about her i think she will be much less. >> something else we have been noticing about the 2024 race is how different these campaigns feel and how they sound. >> we are joyful warriors.

because we know that while fighting for a brighter future may be hard work. that is good work. hard work is good work. >> we have a lot of bad things coming up, and we are very close to a world war in my opinion. >> we are saying we just want fairness and dignity for all people. >> this horrible culture that is developing. a culture of no common sense. everybody will be forced to buy an electric car, which they are not going to do because they do not want that. >> we have work to do right now. 89 days to make kamala harris the next president of the united states. >> with that let's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. our washington correspondent, and your times chief white house correspondent, and pulitzer prize winning washington post investigative reporter. peter and kelly are both rich

and books on trump and have seen him up close and personal. returned to you first. former trump white house press secretary called what went down at mar-a-lago today a sign that trump is panicking. this woman knows him very well, and you do too. would you think? >> he clearly at this point is flailing for a message. he does not really have anything new to say. has old stick repeating lines from his old rallies. he seems to not understand exactly how to counter the enthusiasm that kamala harris is developing. is really have gotten under his skin. he heard him say she only has 1000 or 1500. that is clearly not true.

they were around 15,000 or 12,000. they are sized similarly to the kind of rallies he has had. that has been his advantage, but he does not like the idea of sharing the stage with anybody. i think he is uncertain about how to proceed at this point. >> armato is the truth matters, but only if you hear it, so i want to look at a few of the lies that donald trump told today. he claimed that the vice president supports an arms embargo to israel. that is categorically false. democrats support abortion after birth. absolutely not true. the vast majority of the country supports him. for fax taking never won the popular vote or even the approval of most americans while president. your paper found that he made 30,000 false claims while he was in office. it is exhausting for all of us, but it is our job to fact check him, but he knows he is lying.'s camp he knows he is lying, and there is a reason he is doing it because you heard the sound bite before when he said when people get to know who she is what does the vice

president do with the fact that you have donald trump pushing lies about who she is and what she supports? how did they combat that? because those people he is talking to the chances are they are not watching us right now.>> i think there is something really interesting about two elements of your question. i would also echo something that peter just smartly said about the golden oldies. he and i at different times obviously went to visit with donald trump soon after he had left the presidency. he said a lot of the same things today in his press conference. it was so strange to bring up again that the people who charged the capital and basically broke into the iconic home of our democracy were very pleasant people and it was all very peaceful. that was some of the alternate reality that trump was living in when he lost the election in 2020. the second part of your question. how do you combat the misleading and the mistruths that he says

basically every day? i think what is interesting is that kamala harris has chosen a vice presidential candidate who, like her, has a cut to the chase kind of messaging, which is here is what we are. here is what we are doing. that as opposed to let's talk about donald trump. that self-definition is resonating. we care about kids who go to school and art hungry. what monsters are we? you said tim walz. we are trying to make sure there is equity and people get paid well and fairly for their time and their work, and we are trying to ensure that people have good healthcare and good healthcare coverage. this is self-definition and turning away from trump's description of america is a seeming to really have a lot of balance. i do not know that you are ever going to change the minds of people who agree with donald

trump so much that they ignore the facts in front of their faces. it is just not true that most americans are perfectly happy that roe versus wade was overturned. that has really energized a lot of young voters and female voters, and moms all over the country. including in swing states. i think this point is we are going to say what we are rather than fight donald trump in his large lobby in mar-a-lago. >> you have been on the campaign trail with her. how would you categorize how the vice president is countering donald trump's attacks ? >> i think she is doing a little bit of both things. both defining herself saying i have a vision for america.

that is inclusive and would really be something that will better the lives of all people and especially middle-class americans. she is really talking about the things that she wants to accomplish and picking tim walz highlighting the fact that in minnesota he passed the child tax credit. she talked a lot about what they want to do. there is also a very clear message that they are also attacking republicans and in particular donald trump and j.d. vance talking about the fact that she thinks he is a fraudster in sheet and abuser of women. leaning on the idea she is a prosecutor and he is a criminal. i think she is doing both things. the other thing they are doing is not waiting to respond to former president donald trump. there trying as best as they can in real time to counter the things he is saying very quickly, so today talking about her and attacking her. at the uaw in michigan. able to really quickly say within an hour or so i still want to today him and i am open

to other debates after we get through that. another was hinting at the fact she does not want to do the fox news debate. there is a lot of things they are trying to do. trying to see what they want to do well also saying you definitely do not want these republicans in office. >> also calling her barely competent sage is unwilling to do any interviews. saying the campaign absolutely has plans. that they have only been in this position for the last 11 days. what can you tell us? >> i talked to a number of aides about this. especially one this morning. that person was really close to the thinking of the media engagement. in touch with her daily and directly and said that they want to do a joint interview in the next few weeks. it might be

before the democratic national convention, but they said it was likely not going to be then and likely after. they also said they want to do not just national and local media, but want to be in charge of it and talk to people who are on social media as influencers in places like ted talk and snapchat. the other thing i've been hearing is a lot of stuff has been going on the last few weeks. she had to pick a running man and defined herself on the campaign trail. when they were together this week they have been on the road for the most part going to do this battleground tour, so they have been saying to give us a little bit of time at well we get our things together and we will figure this out. there is also this idea that they want to figure out exactly what they want to say on policy and how they're going to differentiate themselves.

she did of course take questions from reporters. there were other reporters traveling with her, so she took questions later on as well. that tells you they are engaging in the media. the big thing is we do what they want to see, which is her take more questions. >> was talk about the debate board debates plural. he has never reversed himself and has agreed to debate kamala harris on abc and now he is saying he wants more debates in the future. do you buy this? does donald trump realize that he is a convicted criminal who will be going up against a seasoned prosecutor? it is not like she folded when she was up against mike pence in 2020 or running for president be one of the strongest parts

of her campaign was when she was on the debate stage. that was kind of her highlight.>> typically the one who wants to debate is the one who is trailing who needs to find a way to recalibrate their campaign to change the momentum in the conversation. i think that is what you saw today. she has surged and there is the one that you showed earlier showing that she cut the lead to two points. another one from marquette university law school showing that she has a six point lead over him. it depends on the poll, but clearly she has cut away the lead that he had overbite in. that is something that has affected his calculations. he is thinking maybe he wants to get on the stage with her and enjoys the attention. he likes to be on a stage. he will not get another opportunity at a national audience without a debate. she still has a convention

coming up. his is over. it was focused on joe biden, which is kind of meaningless at this point for him. the only chance he has left for that audience is going to be a national debate. >> that could end up being a star-spangled spectacular with the mojo that she has got right now. they shifted three key swing states towards vice president harris . they leaned republican just a few weeks ago. what is your take? she has only been campaigning for two weeks. you said something a moment ago that was interesting. it is not like probable voters are changing their minds. it is really about inspiring new voters. disconnected voters. >> i think there is something that they know so much better than i do, but i will lane on their amazing reporting over the course of this, which is

what you have seen the moment joe biden dropped out of the race and harris was anointed and began essentially walking quite boldly across a series of stages with their beaming smile and her i am going to do this energy. but you also saw was young people who have basically tuned out of this campaign for its entirety. sort of wake up. it was not necessarily the young people being pumped about kamala harris. they did not say before biden dropped out i wish that she was the candidate. it was not that unique experience. it was we no longer have an 80 something plus individual who is struggling to follow the teleprompter at times, and it feels like a time from another generation. we know have somebody close to

our generation actually here. a woman who represents many different groups, which he meant as a kind of putdown, but a lot of people around the country view that as wonderful energy and and excitement that the party is embracing something new. i think that the young people who have now turned into this race in the way that they carried obama in 2002. this is a very different race now. >> i am out of time, but before i want to let you go i want to ask you about this. there is news about george's election board. it changed the state election rules this week just a couple of days after donald trump

raised the board members at his rally in atlanta. what is going on? what is donald trump so focused? i am sorry i am asking this with such little time left. >> my great colleague who has really owned the georgia ever since the call that donald trump made to the secretary of state can you find me 11,000 something those pressuring him before the actual certification of the votes to deliver some more in his favor in a state that he lost. georgia has been an obsession of donald trump's. the rallying that he has done. the berating that he has done of the state to try to get them to change the board of election rules for the kind of votes they could refuse to accept or avoid. it is really worrisome around the country to a lot of the democratic party elite who are seeing this state as a harbinger of other things that could happen in other states, and that is creating rules such that if republican led election boards don't like that harris

won they may find it easier to reject her victory in their state, and that is a huge deal. >> it is and we are going to cover every single step of it . thank you for starting us off tonight.

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trump is saying project 2025 does not represent the agenda of the trump campaign. he is a very smart guy. he speaks for himself. >> the trump campaign is desperate to distance the former president from project 2025 and his running may has said he speaks for himself, so here is what trump himself said at his press conference today on just one issue. the issue of abortion access. >> would you director fda for example to revoke access? >> you can do things that would supplement absolutely, and they are pretty open and humane. you have to be able to have a

vote and i want to give everybody a vote. they are taking place as we speak. there are many things on a human basis that you can do outside of that. >> here is what project 2025 has proposed on this. the fda is ethically and legally obliged to revisit and withdraw its initial approval of abortion drugs. let's discuss this and more with former democratic senator of new jersey and the former communications director for republican jeb bush. it has been widely reported that donald trump was briefed by the heritage foundation president on project 2025. he was on a flight with the president of 2025 and is very closely in line with the heritage foundation, so how does the campaign think it can keep saying donald trump did not know anything about it?

it is just not true. >> you have j.d. vance that wrote the forward to the book for kevin robbers. the head of the heritage foundation that is literally the forward of the book is not a blurb but the forward. they are tied to it. the key point here that they are aligning is that it is kind of true that donald trump speaks for himself when he does not think deeply about policy and just word vomit and et cetera, but the people that work in a second trump administration are the people that are working on project 2025. they are the ones that will staff the agencies and that is

the scariest part about project 2025. if he actually wanted to distance himself from project 2025 he would say i am not going to hire a single person that was involved with this project, but he is not going to do that because those are the loyalists that he is going to want and need in the next administration. it really is i think the fact that reveals how absurd it is they're trying to distance from it. >> what is so stunning is that the content of project 2025 were so offensive and offputting to voters. why on earth with a publish this thing? but now they have. so are democrats doing the right thing hammering this in trying to educate people with what is actually in it? >> i have seen this so many times in campaigns. they will cause you problems every time. it is a difference between a

political campaign and the practical politicians who are trying to win elections. your seen that classic conflict. i am not sure in the end this brings any political mileage to the campaign. the only arbiter of what they believe in is the candidate himself. people can have fun with this, but i am not sure that it has any electoral value. in congress i would be watching for some of the people who were authors of these as they seek to populate another trump administration if it happens. that i would do, but the rest of it i am not sure has political value over time. >> was talk about kamala harris's campaign because i think it is fair to say the last time we spoke you were worried about president biden's chances. you are concerned that america was forgetting what it was like to have donald trump as a president. now we can see who he is and we are reminded with press conferences like the one that we got today, in that we have a new candidate. how are you feeling now? >> i feel that the political

world is going so fast. it is hard to get your footing. donald trump today was clearly frustrated. i understand that. two weeks and he would have been entitled to be measuring the white house. he was headed for a significant victory. now he is in a real race. i think it is a close race. i would not yet as a democrat come to the view however that there is an advantage in this campaign. the vice president has had 11 days of extraordinary press. the rollout has been near perfect. had it been planned for six months it could not have gone any better, and that has brought or even in the campaign. i think we need to remind ourselves that the issues that brought donald trump to have a significant advantage over president biden before the

debate. he was winning before the debate but those issues are still there. the vice president has to get past the situation at the border. the mismanagement of it. the economic circumstances. particularly responsibility for inflation and what is a rapidly deteriorating international situation. i know joe biden feels great pride in how he managed national affairs, but from the view of most analysts including american voters at the moment it doesn't look very good. >> what about all of the new voters in the young voters? those who are considered doubleheaders months ago who weren't inspired or excited about voting for joe biden or donald trump. we are suddenly seeing this huge surge of new voters in people registering to vote saying i have something to get behind.

>> but for that i think we would be talking about this race in very different context. she will expand the base of the party and bring entirely new people into vote. i am reminded. after hillary lost i spoke with her and she asked me when i thought they were in trouble. i said i was driving from a place where i spent summers in the state of maine and noticed a couple of hours as a came through rural maine they were going out to their mailboxes with crayons and paper writing trump and nailing it to a tree. in 20 years of running for federal office i would like to believe we are not so, but i do not think anyone wrote my name on a piece of paper and nailed it to a tree. the vice president is in this race and has a chance to win because she will broaden the base with all of the voters that you just discussed.

on the other hand there is an enormous pool of of very disaffected people. i think that may equally expand. this is a real race. >> we should remind our audience that even in the first election more americans voted for hillary clinton and then joe biden won the next election. do you want to respond to his thoughts? >> i love a reality check. i am just honored to be on with him. i am a little more bullish than him. i am usually the rain clouds. this is a great spot for me. there is a lot of energy right now. i think that she is bringing new people into the process. just the excitement the gap between the candidates is

completely narrowed. i think that she is expanding the electorate. i do not really think that donald trump is. i do not know that as many people are going to turn out this time. if you look at the groups that you mentioned we are seeing so much fewer of those and we have this unprecedented number that we talked about all year. if you look at the polls they are very small. this is trending to a much more traditional race like what we saw in 2020, which you won narrowly. i think that is what kamala harris should be looking towards if she can continue the momentum that we have seen. >> so you are saying there is a chance? it is great to have you back.

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it seems like a lifetime since tim walz was announced. republicans have settled on two main attacks. focusing on how he handled the george floyd attacks in minnesota. and also going after his military record. j.d. vance called him shameful for not going to a rock and accused him of stolen valor. in response the arizona senator and retired navy captain posted this. did you forget what marines

talk to you about respect? tim walz suspended decades in a uniform. we both deserve to be thanked for service. do not become donald trump. >> let's bring in the chairman who has known him for over 20 years. most of us met this man two weeks ago. you have been the party chair for the last 14 years. would you make of his attacks against his military service? >> it is hogwash. minnesota republicans pushed this very hard in 2022. do you know why it didn't go anywhere? because the timeline directly contradicts their narrative. they did not receive the reports until two months after he retired. some have said that even though they are not voting for him

these accusations about the timeline and his motivations are completely unfounded. they also made it clear that he was a good soldier. honorably discharged into his decision to retire after 24 years was before those orders were issued. he has to do this. he spent time away from his family. he came back and retired to run for congress and served for 24 years. people should be honoring his service and not trying to disparage it. >> you saw how he handled the george floyd protest. at the time donald trump called him on the phone. to say that he was doing a good job. would you make of the argument we are hearing now that he waited too long to send in the national guard?

>> it is revisionist history but the reality is from the moment civil unrest broke out he was working with law enforcement both in minneapolis and st. paul and other jurisdictions to try to restore law and order. it did not take him that long actually to call in the national guard to mobilize the largest mobilization of the national guard in our history since world war ii to actually restore law and order. he did everything he could to make sure when we were facing one of the worst crisis as we have faced in some time that he led us out of it. it wouldn't have happened without his leadership during the critical time. working with law enforcement and calling it off. what is important to know is that during that time donald trump was sitting in the white house pouring gasoline on the fire tweeting out instead of actually trying to help our governor and local law enforcement. he was tweeting out encouraging people to become vigilantes and

to take the law into their own hands and go and shoot protesters. that is not leadership. i think you should will leadership was by working with local law enforcement and calling off the national guard. >> i do not want to sound sassy asking this, but it is true most people had not heard of him. they had heard of gretchen whitmer and definitely pete buttigieg. how did he get on harris's campaign radar? >> he is the head of the democratic governors association. the american public may not have known about him. surge in the people in the party and around the country they knew who he was. he served for 12 years in a congress for the first district in minnesota. now serving as governor of the state. he has a remarkable record of success. probably one of the most successful governors over the last several years in terms of poaching legislation that is improving people's lives. not an accident he was elected

by his peers to lead the democratic governors association. he has traveled extensively, but when you look at his record of success of helping to push legislation to improve people's lives and make a difference in minnesota. is mantra being one minnesota. how do we build a state that will work for everyone? whatever your background is. he is a champion for everyone in our state. i am glad that america starting to see a little bit of what we have seen in minnesota, which is an authentic leader who will lead his state. now he gets to lead for everyone in the country. >> love him or hate him 20 years ago when you met him he was a schoolteacher and now he might be the next vice president. pretty stunning. thank you for joining us. when we come back you know we

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are, you know we have been covering dj to stock since before it hit the market in march but today it closed over 26 bucks a share, that is down more than 44% in the past three months, that is a lot, do you know what else is a lot? the billions donald trump's steak is still worth. we told you how overvalued this company is, it does not do anything. how the business loses millions and millions of dollars every quarter to what we have not talked about yet is how it could impact a second trump residency. new york magazine writes, it would be an unprecedented opportunity for corruption. david joins me now, contributing editor for new york magazine. his piece is a must read. explain to us the scale of corruption we could be looking at. >> reporter: a little hard to fathom, it is a way for folks

to put money into donald trump's pocket. we won't always know who is doing it, it could be foreign oligarchs, it could be corporate ceos, it could be anybody that wants anything from the federal government, it could be the federal government itself. in many ways, the capacity for corruption is much deeper than it would be, even with the hotel he operated in washington, d.c. for his first term or the club he runs in florida. speed on one level, why should we be surprised? when he was president, we saw it with trump international hotels, the chinese government, every lobbying group holding events. sending an enormous amount of money at all of his properties, this is trump's m.o. you see the forming of djt, his own sons saying that they need a cut , his body met npr guys

wanting a piece of this. suddenly, this is a-okay, no problem, people are happy to buy the stock and play along? >> reporter: you touched on something, it seems like under discussed and underreported. one thing i learned in the process of doing the story, micro economy of trump world where all of these people around him actually offer themselves as consultants to anybody that wants something from donald trump to thousands or tens of thousands of dollars a month, "consultants" and his children come in and want a steak. everybody has their handout for whatever enterprise donald trump is engaged in. >> this seems egregious, seems like it should be illegal. however, talk to us about the impact of recent supreme court decisions in this instance because it seems like they are looking to make this easier for him. >> reporter: yeah, actually

from my understanding, it is less of a clear-cut violation than the hotel was. that was a little bit clear that this would be very hard to stop anybody who wanted to influence the president, if he is the next president. from buying the stock, you are just buying a stock from a stockbroker on the exchange or whatever, even though the money directly goes to donald trump, it is a step removed so i think it is more of a gray area. the supreme court has not shown any inclination to curb it. i think it will be like the wild west out here. >> the wild west out here or we are going to turn into mini russia with little oligarchs planted around trump. talk to us in your reporting, it is extensive and extranet reporting, what are the strangest, most unusual things, the wows that you learned digging into the company, djt

? >> reporter: one thing to be clear, he is seemingly going to get, regardless of what happens, fabulously wealthy on this, he will probably make up all of the money that he owes in civil fines and eventually sell the shares, he will probably do after the election, win or lose is one thing folks should be aware of. >> you will become fabulously wealthy no matter what happens. what do you think will come september when he can dump this thing? >> reporter: i think the likeliest thing is he does not dump it, i think this sort of stock would crater a little bit should he do that. it is a cash cow for him, it will be for the foreseeable future. even though, as you say, there is no real business here, i think he will hold onto it until after the presidential election and we have to see, if

he is in the oval office, he will hang onto it as well, he did not divest from his holding so i don't see why he would now. >> there is no real business here yet scores of people bought up this stock. people at home watching, think about it, why are they buying it, what do they want? david, thank you and for you at home, i will leave you on that note to think about tonight. for now, i wish you a very good night and i will sign off. from all of our colleagues around on the networks of mc news, thanks for staying up with me. i will see you again tomorrow. mmer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? her credit's golden. hello new apartment. three jens getting ahead with chase. solutions that grow with you. one bank for now.

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